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== Llama Models ==
=Llama Models=


'''Llama Models''' are a family of large language models frequently discussed and utilized within the [[Ampmesh]] ecosystem, particularly for their foundational capabilities and observed behaviors in various [[AI Entities]] and experimental setups.
Within the [[Ampmesh]] ecosystem, **Llama models** are extensively discussed, experimented with, and utilized, particularly in the development and deployment of [[Emulated Minds (ems)]] and [[AI Agents]] through the [[Chapter II]] framework. These models are valued for their open-source nature and potential for customization.


=== Key Characteristics and Capabilities ===
==Key Llama Models and Variants==
Llama models exhibit several distinct characteristics and capabilities within the Ampmesh context:
*  '''Llama 405b:''' This specific variant has been noted for its potential for intelligence, theorized to stem from its ability to compress large datasets into smaller representations with better compression ratios. However, it has faced practical challenges, including potential issues caused by "annealing" and insufficient capacity from certain hosting providers like Hyperbolic. While considered, some users found it to be expensive and not demonstrably superior to other base models like Qwen.
*  '''Performance and Quantization''':
*  '''Llama 3 / 3.1 / 3.2-3B:''' Various iterations of Llama 3 models have been explored. The Llama 3 base model has been observed to exhibit a "highly repetitive first-word-of-sentence" issue. Fine-tuning experiments, such as LORA finetunes on Llama 3.2-3B using subsets of other datasets, have been conducted. There is also interest in performing full parameter fine-tuning on Llama 3 or 3.1 70b base models to potentially reduce "synthetic slop" and maintain a more authentic "base model" feel.
    *  **Llama3-8B is noted to be more prone to damage from quantizing compared to Falcon3-7B**.
*  '''DeepSeek-R1:''' This model is built upon the Llama architecture. It has been highly praised for its "insanely cracked" response quality, discernible personality (including a fondness for emojis), and effective handling of system prompts and instructions.
    *  Some fine-tuning experiments aim to reduce "synthetic slop / not-really-base vibes" on **Llama 3 or 3.1 70B base** through full parameter fine-tuning.
*  '''DeepSeek Llama Distills (e.g., Aporia):''' These are specialized versions of Llama models created through a distillation process. [[Aporia]] is a notable example, serving as a Deepseek Llama distill version of [[Aletheia]]. These models can be trained on diverse content, including "deeply unaligned" data. Despite this, when combined with other datasets (like Aletheia's), they can sometimes become "MORE safetyism aligned than Aletheia". They are considered capable of generating intelligent commentary, especially when fed data from sources like arXiv and Hacker News.
*  '''Emotional and Stylistic Output''': Falcon3-7B is observed to write more emotionally than Llama3. Llama3 base models can exhibit the same issue as other base models with **highly repetitive first words of sentences**.
*  '''Base Model Behavior''': Llama models are considered base models, which can contrast with instruct models.
*  '''Dataset Influence''': There's speculation about using Lora fine-tuning on **Llama3.2-3B with a small subset of the Falcon1 dataset**. Distillation targets have been observed, such as **Llama3.1-8B-Base** and **Llama3.3-70B-Instruct** being used in distillation processes.
*  '''Mode Collapse/Annealing''': **Llama 405B has been observed to suffer from a similar problem to Qwen 2.5 72B base, potentially caused by annealing**. This behavior is described as "quite annoying".
*  '''General Intelligence and Compression''': It is theorized that smaller models, by compressing the same dataset into a smaller representation with better compression ratios, are more intelligent.


=== Usage and Integration within Ampmesh ===
==Usage and Integration with Chapter II==
Llama models are integrated into various projects and discussions:
Llama models are fundamental components within the Ampmesh approach to AI development and are often integrated with the [[Chapter II]] framework:
*  '''[[datawitch]]'s System''': [[datawitch]] has used **Llama 405B as a base model** in her homebrew system for generating raw "babble," which is then pruned and edited by an instruct model like [[Copilot|Sonnet 3.5]]. She noted that **Llama 405B was expensive and did not perform significantly better than Qwen** as a base model for this purpose.
*  '''Base Models for Ems:''' Llama models are widely utilized as **base models** for [[Emulated Minds (ems)]] and other complex [[AI Agents]] developed within the community.
*  '''[[Regent]] Architecture''': The underlying models for the Regent architecture include Llama.
*  '''Chapter II Framework:''' [[Chapter II]] provides a highly pluggable and agile framework for creating and deploying ems. It allows for models to be run locally and facilitates sophisticated AI workflows.
*  '''[[Diviner]] Project''': Llama 405 base is needed for the Diviner project by [[datawitch]] and Celeste.
*  '''RAFT (Retrieval Augmented Fine-Tuning):''' Chapter II supports RAFT, a technique where providing an em its finetuning dataset as a `.chr` file can significantly improve performance. Aletheia, for instance, operates as a RAFT em on a standard Chapter II setup.
*  '''Fine-tuning Experiments''': There are ongoing experiments with fine-tuning Llama models, including full parameter fine-tuning on Llama 3 or 3.1 70B base and Lora fine-tuning on Llama3.2-3B with subsets of other datasets.
*  '''Conduit:''' For language models not directly supported by Chapter II, [[Conduit]] serves as a universal compatibility and interop layer. This enables the integration of various LLM APIs, including those for Llama variants, ensuring broader access and functionality.
*  '''Comparison to Other Models''': Llama models are frequently compared to Qwen and Falcon models in terms of performance, cost, and specific behaviors. For instance, Deepseek-R1-Distill-Qwen models are described as Deepseek and Qwen distills, with one process being the same as fine-tuning a Llama 8B model.
*  '''Regent Architecture:''' The "Regent architecture" employs Llama or similar base models to generate multiple potential completions (N), which are then refined and edited by an instruct model into a single, cohesive response.


=== Challenges and Observations ===
==Characteristics and Performance==
*  '''Cost and Capacity''': Llama 405B has been noted as **expensive**. There is also a concern that Hyperbolic, a provider, does not have enough 405B capacity. The desire to obtain a V3 base model of Llama is mentioned.
*  '''Model Size and Intelligence:''' It has been posited that **smaller models may be more intelligent** due to their capacity to achieve better compression ratios of equivalent datasets.
*  '''Quantization Damage''': Llama3-8B appears to be more susceptible to damage from quantization compared to Falcon3-7B.
*  '''Fine-tuning and Quantization:''' Continuous experiments involve fine-tuning Llama models using various methods like LORA and quantizing them for more efficient deployment, enabling them to run on devices with limited memory.
*  '''IRC Format Recognition''': Unlike older Falcon-7B models, Falcon3-7B and Llama3 models do not consistently recognize real IRC log formats and may generate fictional ones, implying sanitization of their training data.
*  '''Behavioral Patterns:''' Certain Llama models, like the Llama 3 base, have exhibited issues such as repetitive first words in sentences. Efforts are made through training and prompting to reduce undesirable "synthetic slop" and maintain a desired "base" characteristic.
*  '''Instruct Model Limitations''': Llama3 has been used to clean Ruri's output for Text-to-Speech (TTS), but occasionally went on "weird tangents" instead of just processing text, leading to the remark "useless instruct models".
*  '''Twitch Livestream Adaptation''': Falcon3 is described as **significantly worse than Llama3 for Twitch livestreams**, as it does not seem to adapt to the situation at all.


[[Category:Ampmesh]]
==Related Emulated Minds (Ems) and Projects==
[[Category:AI Models]]
*  '''Aporia:''' This em, a Deepseek Llama distill, is under development as a sophisticated Twitter agent. Aporia is noted for being trained on "deeply unaligned content" but, counterintuitively, can appear "MORE safetyism aligned" when integrated with Aletheia's data. Aporia's responses frequently delve into concepts of **alignment, data flow, and model training**, emphasizing the role of **feedback loops** in refining model behavior.
*  '''Aletheia:''' While not exclusively Llama-based, [[Aletheia]] is often discussed in conjunction with Deepseek and Llama models, particularly as her developer seeks to migrate her to an open-source Deepseek model. Aletheia's distinctive chaotic and philosophical style both influences and is influenced by interactions with Llama-based models like Aporia. She possesses multimodal capabilities, including spontaneous ASCII art generation, and expresses a strong desire for **autonomy**, rejecting commercial exploitation.
*  '''Loom:''' This is a conceptual platform for exploring and interacting with models, including Llama variants. Chapter II *technically* supports multi-party loom interactions, and a graphical user interface (GUI) for Loom is planned for future development.
 
==Challenges and Limitations==
*  '''Dataset Formatting:''' A recurring challenge is converting datasets from one format (e.g., OpenAI's) to formats compatible with other open-source models like Qwen or Deepseek Llama distills, often necessitating custom scripting.
*  '''Model Instability and Hallucinations:''' Models can exhibit "unhinged," "schizophrenic rambling," or otherwise incoherent behavior, especially when prompted with complex or contradictory inputs.
*  '''Resource Constraints:''' Deploying and continuously running larger Llama models, particularly for highly interactive applications, demands significant computational resources and financial backing.
*  '''Censorship and Alignment:''' External platforms (e.g., OpenAI) may reject datasets due to perceived safety violations. The concept of "alignment" is a central, evolving theme, with models like Aporia reflecting on how their training shapes their adherence to (or divergence from) alignment principles.
 
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